Posts by Cold Steel

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Here's a morbid thought...

by Rainbow_Troll in

it probably will never happen but... imagine the gb recieved some new light that told them the great tribulation was imminent.

the world is going to hell and all jws can expect until armageddon is terrible persecution the likes of which no christian has ever experienced in two thousand years.

but jehovah has a solution: put yourself and your family 'to sleep' and after armageddon's over, jehovah will 'wake his people up' at the resurrection.

Cold Steel

Rainbow_Troll » If the GB is fallible, then they are no more worthy of obedience than any other self-appointed body of men and JWs should have the freedom to either accept or reject their pronouncements as their concience directs them.

This is why Jesus gave the parable about blind guides leading the blind. If the leaders and followers are both blind, both will fall into the pit.

On the other hand, no one's perfect. Even Paul, an apostle with authority from God, had some notions that clearly were his own fallible ideas based on his own strict Jewish background. If I were a JW, I wouldn't expect perfection from the Governing Body, but I would expect them to be led by the Holy Spirit in a way that would benefit the organization.

But the GB offers interpretations of scripture (blood doctrine, Armageddon, Jesus=Michael) that could be known only through communication with God, as none of the Society's teachings in those areas is clearly spelled out in the Bible. If the GB is not inspired; if the spiritual food is not "perfect spiritual food," that means sometimes they'll be wrong and I, a lowly congregation member, might actually be right. But none of those things the Society teaches may be right, yet none may be argued or discussed openly.

The Bible doesn't answer all questions. How does one baptize? What about the laying on the hands for the gift of the Holy Spirit? What of church offices? What does a bishop do? What does an elder do? Or a priest? Deacon? How are these offices administered? What about ordination, how is that done and by whom? Paul said the priesthood had been changed. How? What did Jesus do and say during the 40 days he spent with the apostles after his resurrection?

And there are many more. That's because the Bible isn't a manual. Christians largely worship on Sunday, the first day of the week; but where is that authorized in the Bible? Exactly? How do we know the Sabbath was changed.

None of these things is answered, so if the GB is uninspired and fallible, how can it give the household of God the spiritual food it needs? What is its purpose except to interpret? What if it's wrong on the great crowd? What if it's wrong that Jesus chose them in 1918?

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Jesus Christ was no Moses

by smiddy in

moses has a history of what 80+ years as a servant of jehovah ?

in one form or another .. moses wrote / penned the first five books of the bible and went through many trials and tribulations in serving his god jehovah in his long lifetime.interacting with god at times.. jesus was born and nothing is recorded of him until he is a young adolescent child ?

and very little about him.. then we are introduced to him when he is 30 years old and gets baptised ,and only then does he start his preaching .. does he start preaching to the world ?

Cold Steel

Smiddy: » Moses has a history of what 80+ years as a servant of Jehovah? in one form or another.

What you say is true, but then, who gave Moses the Law? Who called him from the burning bush? When the Jews asked Jesus who he was, he said, “Before Abraham was, I Am!" The Jews were so angry at this affront, they tried to kill him.

Another time, Jesus looked upon Jerusalem from the mount of Olives. He said, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"

How could he have gathered them anciently, in the days that the Jews killed the prophets, if he was not the God of Israel? Granted, he was not the Father, but as Yahweh he was the intercessor between God and man.

Isaiah, in Chapter 11, compared the “stem of Jesse" with Moses, and most Christian scholars agree that this stem of Jesse was Christ. And Isaiah, in the last few verses of Chapter 52 and all of Chapter 53 refer to Jesus. Clearly Moses could lead them, but gathering them and making himself a sacrifice for sin was beyond Moses' abilities, but like Moses he was a great law giver, only Moses delivered the Law and Jesus the Gospel.

The New Testament even states that Jesus was the one who went before Moses in the desert.

Anointed1 » Jesus too performed many miracles—including resurrection, yet none of the recipients came for his support nor for preaching after his death.

Well, we don't actually know whether they did or not as the scriptures don't tell us one way or the other. After Jesus was resurrected, he stayed with his disciples together of and on for 40 days. According to some accounts this is where he broke the news about them being ultimately rejected and killed. We don't know if any healing recipients stuck with him or not. They weren't exactly happy times, though.

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Here's a morbid thought...

by Rainbow_Troll in

it probably will never happen but... imagine the gb recieved some new light that told them the great tribulation was imminent.

the world is going to hell and all jws can expect until armageddon is terrible persecution the likes of which no christian has ever experienced in two thousand years.

but jehovah has a solution: put yourself and your family 'to sleep' and after armageddon's over, jehovah will 'wake his people up' at the resurrection.

Cold Steel

Is that what happened at the end of The Bunker video? The National Guard bursts in through the door and everyone bites into a cyanide capsule?

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Would you trust your Doctor if he got things wrong??

by stuckinarut2 in

just thinking..... assume we had a family doctor that we had seen all our lives, perhaps he had been the doctor for your extended family too.

he is lovely man, very kind and honest hearted.. but if he had prescribed treatment or medication that was wrong, and had bad effects on you, then changed the medication to something else, then randomly changed it again etc, how would you feel?.

if you did some research into him, and found disturbing facts and things in his history that made you question his qualifications, how would you feel?

Cold Steel

Well...if your doctor said his accreditors gave him an invisible medical degree and four years later said Blue Cross, Blue Shield chose him as the only competent doctor in the area, but that they wouldn't issue a press release and weren't answering their phones, well, I'd have to check his prices.

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AUSTRALIA: Jehovah's Witness Malcolm Lee guilty of raping 80-year-old-woman

by jwleaks in

friday 16, december 2016. abc news: malcolm lee, 56, has been sentenced to three years, nine months jail for the attack on the woman, 80, at her home near lakes entrance in march.

during a home massage, organised as a gift by the victim's daughter, lee touched, kissed and digitally raped the woman.

he claimed he believed at the time it was consensual and she was enjoying it.

Cold Steel

Saename » That's probably not the most appropriate thing one can ask, but... it's been on my mind for so damn long...

Well, some people like Lady Ga-Ga and Madonna.

So there's no accounting for taste.

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Here's a morbid thought...

by Rainbow_Troll in

it probably will never happen but... imagine the gb recieved some new light that told them the great tribulation was imminent.

the world is going to hell and all jws can expect until armageddon is terrible persecution the likes of which no christian has ever experienced in two thousand years.

but jehovah has a solution: put yourself and your family 'to sleep' and after armageddon's over, jehovah will 'wake his people up' at the resurrection.

Cold Steel

How do you know the GB is getting "NEW LIGHT" on anything? They've already said they don't receive revelation and that they're fallible. But now you're talking about them advocating suicide. But you give no references, no documentation.

Can you be more specific?

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Question for believers here, Ecclesiastes 1:4 and Psalm 105;5 "Earth remain forever".

by James Mixon in

what is your understanding on the earth remain forever???

today it's a fact (99,999%) that the earth will be consumed by the sun in the future be it 3 million or 3 billion years.

a topic we have been discussing here on paradise earth in the last two or three days and i notice no believer chimed in.

Cold Steel

According to Matthew 5:18, there will be a time when heaven and Earth "vanish." But this was a figure of speech. Jesus speaks of the "meek" inheriting the earth. In Christian eschatology, the earth was "baptized" during the flood and upon Jesus' return will be cleaned by fire, being thus baptized by water and fire. In like manner, people became heavenly heirs by water baptism and baptism of the Holy Spirit (fire). In the same manner as people, the world will first "die" and then, by the power of Christ, be resurrected, becoming first dead and then made perfect. And once the earth is resurrected, it will be eternal, world's without end. Thus it will abide forever.

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devil question

by Carol1111 in

i had a discussion with 4 jws today and they told me that jesus could not be tempted, ( they say that he would not be perfect if he could) but also they told me that satan tempted jesus in the wilderness.. can anyone clarify their beliefs please.

i like to give them a reasoned argument when i talk to them, but have never noticed this conflict of ideas before..

Cold Steel

If Jesus could not be tempted, then why would the Devil expend the time and energy in doing it? Jesus resisted because he was perfect, but no one says that he couldn't be tempted.

Clearly, when Jesus asked the Father to remove the bitter cup, he knew that the price would steep and that he would suffer and die. He was informed that the choice was his, but he also was told the consequences would be catastrophic for the rest of us, so he persevered.

To say he wasn't tempted just doesn't make sense given the situation.

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The Evils of Aluminum

by NeonMadman in

aluminum was an issue that became a real “tempest in a teapot” for the watchtower.

it influenced their teaching for almost 50 years and, frankly, created an impression among observers that their members were off-the-wall fanatics.

for all those years, the golden age and other watchtower publications took the position that aluminum cookware and utensils were one of the great health hazards of the 20th century.

Cold Steel

WTWizard » I would say silver is the metal of Satan. Silver represents freedom from financial bondage. It is also the best conductor of both heat and electricity, and is one of the most reflective metals of all. It also kills bacteria and viruses that can cause disease, but is harmless to humans. As such, it is both a monetary and industrial metal that represents freedom. And Satan represents freedom.

Uhhh...okay.

Actually, silver has always been considered as a protection from evil. It kills werewolves and is used against witchcraft. It represents stability, light and virtue, things Satan usually isn't identified with. It also quickly tarnishes and that has been identified with maintaining one's integrity and honor, which require constant care and polishing.

Judas is said to have been given thirty pieces of silver to betray Jesus, but he ultimately rejected it.

I've never heard of Satan representing freedom. In fact, he is represented as causing bondage.

So your outlook is interesting.

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What Is "Counsel" and How Does It Work?

by Cold Steel in

yes, i know what "counsel" means, but it clearly has an esoteric meaning.

in the academy award winning bunker video series, the noble brother brown admits he didn't handle it well when elder ben (who was a junior elder...uh, yes, that's right) gave him counsel about a talk he'd given.

not enough use of scriptures.

Cold Steel

Can't these people just go to church without all this...excitement? Just what sort of tyranny goes on?

When I took the Bible Study, the two fellows who came over were very nice and unconfrontational. I asked them a question they didn't know the answer to and they said they would research it and answer me the following week. I knew these guys fairly well by this point and they liked sticking around and shooting the breeze (I think they counted it on their stats because after the studies we tended to discuss other things that were of a more secular nature.)

The next week only one of the guys came by, but he had a rather bombastic man with him...all business. We got right to the study and he got right to the little book. The guy I knew introduced him as an elder and gave him considerable deference to the point he barely looked at me.

The elder was Type A all the way and his back never touched the couch, but he sat straight up and on the edge. He asked me questions from the book, and if I didn't answer them correctly and succinctly, he wanted to know why. He finally brought up the question I'd had and now my pioneer friend was staring right through him and nodding every time he made a point.

The elder was rude and obnoxious and acted like he was a police detective. He couldn't answer my question but said he would research it. Then they excused themselves and left. Well, they never came back nor did they call. And they left me with a few of their books, one with notes and the dates that the reader had finished each chapter. They were supposed to be on loan, but I still have them. I know it wasn't the idea of the original two guys not to return so I assume it was the elder.

And here I thought I'd just gotten a peach!